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308 optic question




#1
First of all mods, it’s been a while so if this is in the wrong sub forum please move it.

Ok after a lot of research the past couple days I think I’m settled on a beginners rifle of the Ruger Performance Rifle in 308 (I already have an investment in 308 and really don’t want to get into another caliber at this point - in fact I might be doing some caliber consolidation this year).

So...for about $400-500 what’s the best optic that:

1. Fits my budget or is close
2. Is easy to learn
3. Will take me out to 1000 yards (I know there are opposing views as to 308 between 800 and 1000 but for the purposes of punching holes in paper or ringing steel it might be fun to challenge myself once I get better and understand the system and techniques better).

Thanks
 
#2
It's been a minute since I've shot .308 but you should be there with a scope that has 19 mils of travel like the Vortex Viper PST and a 20 MOA base. if thats not enough you might need a set of burris signature rings that you can add another +20.

I'd check out either the Vortex HST line, a used PST, or Athlon Optics which seems to be Today's low cost entry scope.

As far as learning I'm going to assume you're talking MRAD/MOA - the answer is either it's just different math. All of my scopes are in MRAD and that's what I know but it seems like MOA is more intuitive here in the states where we use inches and yards. 1MOA = 1.047 (I think) inches so you can round to 1" easily.

Keys: matching turrets (windage and elevation match mil/mil MOA/MOA)
As much internal travel as you can afford
zero stop. I have a couple scopes without and honestly they are a PITA unless you are always at the same distance
20 MOA base

ETA: Reticle choice is up to you but I'd stay away from mil dot and overly complicated reticles.
 
#3
It's been a minute since I've shot .308 but you should be there with a scope that has 19 mils of travel like the Vortex Viper PST and a 20 MOA base. if thats not enough you might need a set of burris signature rings that you can add another +20.

I'd check out either the Vortex HST line, a used PST, or Athlon Optics which seems to be Today's low cost entry scope.

As far as learning I'm going to assume you're talking MRAD/MOA - the answer is either it's just different math. All of my scopes are in MRAD and that's what I know but it seems like MOA is more intuitive here in the states where we use inches and yards. 1MOA = 1.047 (I think) inches so you can round to 1" easily.

Keys: matching turrets (windage and elevation match mil/mil MOA/MOA)
As much internal travel as you can afford
zero stop. I have a couple scopes without and honestly they are a PITA unless you are always at the same distance
20 MOA base

ETA: Reticle choice is up to you but I'd stay away from mil dot and overly complicated reticles.
Thanks Roach.

One question - I’ve seen some scopes that offer bullet compensation adjustment as opposed to MIL or MOA (I think) and are specific to the 308 round. Any knowledge of those?

As for my ease of learning - like anything else I’ll rather get extremely frustrated and move into a new hobby or extremely inquisitive and learn as much as possible.
 
#4
Scopes Ive seen with BDC are generally fixed power like an ACOG. Any scope with hash marks will serve the same purpose. The difference being is that you can chose to hold or dial. I generally dial in for elevation and hold for wind.

 
#5
My personal opinion, stay away from Bullet Compensation reticles for longer range shooting. Use a reticle with repeatable subtensions like the one Roach posted. MRAD or MOA is personal preference although dependent upon the click interval, MOA can be adjusted with finer increments. 1/4 MOA at 100 yards is .25ish of an inch. 1/10 Mil at 100 is .36 of an inch. Times that by 10 at 1000 and you can see the difference. Throw in a scope with 1/8 MOA adjustments and it becomes even finer.
 
#10
I have Nightforce bases and Seekins/Vortex precision rings on my guns (Seekins make them for Vortex and sell their own version). They’ve been very solid for me. Not the cheapest combo but buy once cry once.
 
#11
Ok guys seems the Vortex Viper HST in MOA might be the choice.

What about a mount and rings? Is there really a difference in quality and cost here?
I’m going to play devils advocate and say that at a certain point it doesn’t matter. I’ve purchased the seekins rings, badger ordnance bases, etc and they perform no better / worse then stuff a lot less expensive I.e $50 vortex rings. Keep in mind this is coming from a guy that will pay 5x more for an AR because it’s noveske. I like the Burris signature rings to add offset in the rings (more up travel). YMMV
 
#12
If there’s a Picatinny rail up top do I need a mount or just put the rings on the rail? Or does in matter only if the scope needs to be lifted to fit properly?

As soon as my SAR sells I’m gonna get the scope, mount/rings, and a bipod. Just picked up the rifle today.