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NYECOGunsmith

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Unions are like vigilante committees, at times in history both were needed, but both generally get / got out of hand and often refuse to disband once they are no longer needed.

Just my personal opinion, having belonged to several unions over the years.
 
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All of the anti union points are interesting, but really just recycled anti sentiment. One thing to remember about the Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance issues is that no matter where you stand, if you are paying taxes, YOU are supplementing the Walmart employees, hands down. If you dont pay federal taxes, then its a non issue for you.

As for unions not being beneficial today, stop drinking the anti Kool Aid, they are as important today as they were 80 years ago, you just refuse to accept it.

 
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Something to add about unions, if you live in the Las Vegas metropolitan area, you enjoy three very good benefits from the fire departments, an ISO Class 1 rating. This means three things- 1. You get a lower homeowners insurance rate saving you money. 2. You have more people coming to your emergency to work and fix the issue. 3. This does cost more to fund, not sure if its coming from property taxes, the hotels or a mix. But you can not put a price on life safety. The firefighters union does play a part in this as they assume the high standards are being applied and met in all aspects. Part of the ISO Calss 1 rating came from the 1980 MGM Hotel fire in Las Vegas, the local departments simply needed more staffing and better equipment. But the residents in the Las Vegas metro area do enjoy the best possible service in part to unions doing their job.
 

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Something to add about unions, if you live in the Las Vegas metropolitan area, you enjoy three very good benefits from the fire departments, an ISO Class 1 rating. This means three things- 1. You get a lower homeowners insurance rate saving you money. 2. You have more people coming to your emergency to work and fix the issue. 3. This does cost more to fund, not sure if its coming from property taxes, the hotels or a mix. But you can not put a price on life safety. The firefighters union does play a part in this as they assume the high standards are being applied and met in all aspects. Part of the ISO Calss 1 rating came from the 1980 MGM Hotel fire in Las Vegas, the local departments simply needed more staffing and better equipment. But the residents in the Las Vegas metro area do enjoy the best possible service in part to unions doing their job.
You most certainly can put a price on life safety. Like the $6 million dollars the tax payers of Clark county will pay the average firefighter over his lifetime to work a job that requires a high school diploma as the minimal qualification. No doubt the union is happy to hear that.

As i said, in an ideal world management would treat their workers fairly and provide them with a safe place to work. In return labor works to the best of their ability and self reports those who don’t.

As to the “gains” that are (rightfully) attributed to unions — the overwhelming majority of those are nearly 50-100 years old. When unfettered management could do whatever they wanted to in regards to their employees. Now it would seem that unions are more interested in maintaining their own power than advancing the cause of their members.
 
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snubbyfan

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Whoever believes that a high standard of living is the achievement of labor unions and government controls should ask himself the following question: If one had a “time machine” and transported the labor chieftains of America, plus a million government bureaucrats, back to the tenth century—would they be able to provide the medieval serf with electric light, refrigerators, automobiles, and smart phones?
 

JR3

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sooo....I clicked on page 2 to read buying ammo but instead read about unions/anti unions? Like being unionized would make a difference on Wally's making their own laws? That should be a whole different thread. Thread hijack!!

The OP said, "" As of March 6th 2018, Wal Mart will no longer sell rifles, shotguns, or ammunition to anyone under the age of 21" .

My take was Wally's is preempting the state law and requiring one to be 21 y.o. to purchase any type of ammo or long gun.

Apparently this bothers no one.?????
 
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snubbyfan

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Wally's is a pvt. enterprise and as such is free to make their own rules. Don't like it, don't shop there. You too are free to do that.
As to the question: "Apparently this bothers no one.?????" It doesn't bother me.
 

JR3

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Wally's is a pvt. enterprise and as such is free to make their own rules. Don't like it, don't shop there. You too are free to do that.
As to the question: "Apparently this bothers no one.?????" It doesn't bother me.
I know what Wally's is.. I don't like it.

Don't shop there if at all possible.

My question..yes, it bothers me but does not affect me.

One can enlist to serve in the military and is issued a weapon but can not purchase ammo/long gun from Walmart...THIS bothers me.
 

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I know what Wally's is.. I don't like it.

Don't shop there if at all possible.

My question..yes, it bothers me but does not affect me.

One can enlist to serve in the military and is issued a weapon but can not purchase ammo/long gun from Walmart...THIS bothers me.
This — old enough to join the military and go to war? Old enough to own any firearm, drink alcohol, vote, etc...
 
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Gullwing

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As for unions not being beneficial today, stop drinking the anti Kool Aid, they are as important today as they were 80 years ago, you just refuse to accept it.
Yes before Unions the week was Monday through Friday, Unions forced the government to add two extra days each week.
Social security was designed to be a long life insurance starting at age 65 when men lived to 58 and women lived to 62, now it is government retirement, wow great job!
Minimum wage, yes we must have that because a 15 year old HS student needs to make $15 an hour and should be happy with that job and wage for ever, no one should ever try and improve their situation.
Health and other benefits were not because of unions, but because of war. WWII gov. restricted wages among other things. How did one company get better workers from other companies when wages were the same? Offer benefits.

But yes we must thank the unions for Las Vegas fire. I mean if it weren't for the unions then how could those poor firefighters abuse sick leave and overtime as much as the do? It would be such a shame if they weren't able to scam I mean use the system to work together to get those one duty to call in sick so others could make overtime to cover that shift.
 
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Something to add about unions, if you live in the Las Vegas metropolitan area, you enjoy three very good benefits from the fire departments, an ISO Class 1 rating. This means three things- 1. You get a lower homeowners insurance rate saving you money. 2. You have more people coming to your emergency to work and fix the issue. 3. This does cost more to fund, not sure if its coming from property taxes, the hotels or a mix. But you can not put a price on life safety. The firefighters union does play a part in this as they assume the high standards are being applied and met in all aspects. Part of the ISO Calss 1 rating came from the 1980 MGM Hotel fire in Las Vegas, the local departments simply needed more staffing and better equipment. But the residents in the Las Vegas metro area do enjoy the best possible service in part to unions doing their job.
Ahh yess!!!! We pay them 120k+ each year in salary and benefits to save $100 on my homeowner's policy. Weird how my other home which is further away from a fire station and there is NO full time firefighters has lower insurance.

And I guess states where they can't unionize all have terrible firefighters and response.

Their union and politicians did do a great job of saving them from the sick time racketeering though.

Of all the groups to use for an example, I am not sure the firefighters were the best choice ;)
 

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Wally's is a pvt. enterprise and as such is free to make their own rules. Don't like it, don't shop there. You too are free to do that.
As to the question: "Apparently this bothers no one.?????" It doesn't bother me.
Age discrimination is against the law, and this clearly qualifies. Lawsuits are pending, and American Rifleman announced one in Idaho against Walmart, which went on record there that they KNOW they are breaking the age-discrimination law, but are sticking to their new anti-American policy.
 
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Ahh yess!!!! We pay them 120k+ each year in salary and benefits to save $100 on my homeowner's policy. Weird how my other home which is further away from a fire station and there is NO full time firefighters has lower insurance.

And I guess states where they can't unionize all have terrible firefighters and response.

Their union and politicians did do a great job of saving them from the sick time racketeering though.

Of all the groups to use for an example, I am not sure the firefighters were the best choice ;)
I think your post is bogus on every point. There is no way to know what youre saving on your home owners insurance as you dont know the difference from having it or not, youre just guessing and making up numbers. What city is your other home in, I question if they are in the LV of CC district. Actually, yes, the non union departments are not as well trained and have lower standards. You guys keep bringing up the sick leave scandal, wasnt that just one department and like over 10 years ago? Actually, this was a good example because thanks to the union, they secure better fire protection and staffing for you and your family.
 

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Since they closed the Walmart near the base, my habits have changed big time, I go to meads and ace hardware for household stuff, hahns surplus & new frontier for goodies, and Smith’s for groceries. I hit goodwill which seems to have pretty good stuff for clothing. Anything else is online. Very little money is spent at Walmart anymore, really don’t miss it at all and I like the people at these places I shop at.
 

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Wally is a private sector business. And can do many things they like without caring.

That said, I want to see them treated for discrimination by age the same way they’d be treated for open discriminating based on color, sex, or any other protected class. For their locations in Oregon , for example, I’d like to see a fine for enough money to bankrupt the entire company, the same way the bakers were treated.

Iirc, in Oregon, a fine has been proposed in the Walmart age case, something in the low $5-10k ish range. Compared to the gay bakery case and relative the worth/penalty ratio, that’s wrong.

If Walmart can skate on this stuff, minimal penalties, it just shows the unfairness of the case, and it justifies the “but but but it’s gunz” defense when .gov goes beyond law and reason.

If they completely stop selling all firearms great, but discrimination should be punished.

I also think the feds are age discriminating between rifles and pistols.
 

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All of the anti union points are interesting, but really just recycled anti sentiment. One thing to remember about the Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance issues is that no matter where you stand, if you are paying taxes, YOU are supplementing the Walmart employees, hands down. If you dont pay federal taxes, then its a non issue for you.

As for unions not being beneficial today, stop drinking the anti Kool Aid, they are as important today as they were 80 years ago, you just refuse to accept it.

some of those are the opposite. For an example, when I worked at GTE Lenkurt in San Carlos, CA (late 1960's) the management was not in the union. They got paid sick leave, but us union people working there did NOT get any. They would take it out of our paychecks if we missed a day for being sick. So much for your number four. The same for dental, your number 12. They had dental plans, the union did not. IBEW was the union that I then belonged to. Unions didn't always get what they wanted, even after very expensive strikes. But the nonunion management usually did get what they wanted.

-Don- Reno, NV
 
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some of those are the opposite. For an example, when I worked at GTE Lenkurt in San Carlos, CA (late 1960's) the management was not in the union. They got paid sick leave, but us union people working there did NOT get any. They would take it out of our paychecks if we missed a day for being sick. So much for your number four. The same for dental, your number 12. They had dental plans, the union did not. IBEW was the union that I then belonged to. Unions didn't always get what they wanted, even after very expensive strikes. But the nonunion management usually did get what they wanted.

-Don- Reno, NV
Don- You have to remember that your one individual personal experience does not set the standard for everyone else. That picture is a large summary of decades of effort from 1000s of unions across the nation. We are not basing the whole idea on a job you held 40 years ago.
 
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