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Starter Precision Rifle?





Quickdraw

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Precision rifle is about to take a new twist, 22lr Precision Rifle. This is like time warping back 10years and starting over for me...well almost. With a new match coming to town, NRL22 and a new match at DSRPC I find myself trying to gather an education on the subject.

Coming from a 10 year history of using my own handholds where I control the entire loading process, going to bulk processed 22lr ammo is scary at best. Most of what I've seen in Precision/Target rifle design for 22's seems to be wrapped around much tighter tolerances. This seems to be an attempt level out the inconsistencies within the ammo.
 
Here is what I currently use for my 22lr. It's a Savage FV Mark II in a Boyds stock. I have an Athlon Talos BTR 4x14x44 on it. The CZ455 will probably be the preferred 22lr along with the custom Ruger 10/22.






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LongRange

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QD...if you want a bolt gun id suggest a CZ455...





if you want a semi auto id suggest you spend the money and buy a Kidd...

this is at 50yds with my Kidd supper grade....



the Kidd will shoot SK pistol under an 1" at 100yds. i have 3 barrels for my CZ455 and all three will shoot under an 1" at 100yds.

personally i love my Kidd but i prefer my CZ455...only because its a great trainer rifle and more closely mimics my surgeon...i like the CZ so much i bought a GEN2 PST for it...i shoot it pretty regularly out to 300yds.

be careful the 22s are like crack LOL!!
 
6.5 CM Ruger Precision Rifle

I really like my gen. 1 RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor. I put a Bushnell ERS 3.5 - 21 x 50 scope on it with a Horus H59 reticle.

With factory Hornady 140 gr. ELD-M ammo I can get 1/2 MOA fairly regularly and never bigger than 3/4 MOA.

Yeah, there are a lot of other good competition rifles out there like the Savage Ashbury but I feel the RPR gives at elast equal accuracy and more for the money than any of the similar or higher priced options.

Eric B.
 
This is my set up, a Savage 12 LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor, topped with a Vortex Viper 6-24x50 FFP scope with the EBR02C reticle. With scope base, scope rings, Vortex bubble level and scope caps put about $2000 into this rifle. Have not as yet done any reloading, but with Hornady 140gr match ELDs get 1/2 MOA repeatedly out to 300 yards (have yet to push it further - photo shows 4-round group at 100 yards as an example). Edit - this one might be on the chopping block - medical bills and trying to build a business - not a good mix lol.
 

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My metal AI and Accurate mags are getting a little beat up and not running correctly. At todays match I decided to take the factory mags that came with my RPR out and use them. That was not a good decision. I had multiple failures to feed or similar events. I came home and worked on my old metal mags and hopefully got those back into operating condition again. I also ordered a few of the new Ruger branded AI-style polymer mags. I've heard good things about them from a few people.
 
I have a GA Precision Crusader in .308 with muzzle brake and a Vortex Razor HD EBR-2C scope with an Atlas bipod on it. I have 4 10 round magazines for it since I bought while I was still living in CA. It has been a safe queen for several years. It is a heavy rifle and almost feels like carrying an M60 and not my weapon of choice to take to the range. Should it remain a safe queen or should I consider selling it? I am not getting any younger.

I also Spartan Precision in 6.5 Creedmoor almost outfitted the same but a Vortex Razor HD EBR-2C Gen II which my weapon of choice. As you know it is a real flat shooter and not affected by the wind so much.

I am in Carson City and want to know if there is any other range longer than the Carson City range.
 
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I bought a Gen 1 Ruger Precision Rifle and would make the same purchase today if I wanted a GOOD, ACCURATE entry precision rifle that won't require a 2nd mortgage. My present scope is a Bushnell ERS 3.5 - 21 x 50 W/ H59 reticle. I'd get a Bushnell XRS II andH59 reticle if I were doing it again.

But when I hit the lottery I'll get a Barrett MRAD with 6.5 CM and .338 LM. barrels, bolt heads and magazines. That rifle is one of the very best long range bolt guns on the planet.

Eric B.
 
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I had a 6.5 CM Ruger American Predator. I put a Timmy trigger on it and later a Boyd's Classic laminated stock. (It's pictured to the left as my avatar) Got 1/2 MOA regularly with Hornady 140 gr. ELD-M ammo.

THEN... while hunting I lost two cartridges from the chamber in two days. GUESS WHAT? The d@mn bolt would not lock!
So I sold it and then sold the Boyd's stock separately. Sad to let such an accurate rifle go but I could not abide having no bolt lock.

Next I bought a 6.5 CM Browning X-Bolt Pro with bronze Cerakote on everything, stainless barreled action, fluted and lapped barrel, fluted bolt and bolt handle and carbon fiber stock. This rifle also shoots 140 gr. ELD-Ms into 1/2 MOA. But for the price it had better do so!
Yeah, it was kinda spendy but it is a beautiful rifle. Still have my SWFA SS 3 - 15 x 42 scope on it that you see in my avatar photo (mil/mil) but may get a MARCH 3 - 24 x 42 scope for it. (That MARCH scope is $300. more than the rifle but that's usually the case of rifle-to-scope cost ratio.)
 
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Disclaimer: I am a total long range shooting noob so take my post with a grain of salt, but I settled on the following after much research:
Ruger Precision Rifle and Bergara B-14 BMP, both in ... .308 win :eek: . About $1.1K each.

Will be putting a Vortex Viper PST Gen II FFP 5-25x50 (~$1K) on the Bergara and start practicing with it. If I get into it more, I might buy another scope. Again, I have zero experience other than reading a lot of forums online, so do your own research.

6.5 CM is objectively better, but in a SHTF scenario, and for practice, .308 is cheaper and more widely available, and that mattered more to me.

If price is a concern, I read good things about the Savages. Vortex is a decent scope manufacturer and they have cheaper models too. If your budget is $1K, you could probably get away with a $500 rifle and $500 scope, and see if you like it.
 

Facejackets

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Read a bit of this thread, but not all. I really want to try this LR stuff out. I’ve been looking at a ton of reviews and I think I’ve settled on the Savage 110 Desert Tactical in 6.5 creedmoor. The price point, features and multiple positive reviews I’ve seen have led me to it.

I am not looking for a be-all, end-all rifle. I’m looking for a serviceable gun I can beat up and not feel bad about throwing around. Im hoping to stay anoint $1200ish give or take a few bucks for the gun and optics. Ultimate goal is 1k yards. Also, it’ll just be for fun. No competitive, SHTF or hunting use planned.

Price point is a factor. Kind of a huge one. But, I’ve felt enough Ruger American rifles to know I don’t trust them. Also, the Savage Axis like have never felt great to me. I want to pick up my gun and it feel like a gun. I’m not afraid of some weight. I won’t be dragging it through the mountains on my back for days on end.

I was kind of set on a 700 5R in 308, but, enough of my friends bought 6.5 to peer pressure me into it. Also, at $400ish more than the Savage, it’s just not something I’m super comfortable spending on something I will not take uber-seriously. The Bergara B14 HMR is pretty tempting, but it’s even more than the 700. Yes, the quality is far superior. But, I just can’t justify the cost to myself.

Can anyone tell me I’m wrong in leaning this way?

I want something with the following;
22”+ threaded barrel
6.5 creedmoor preferred, .308 is not ruled out.
Medium or heavy contour barrel
Aftermarket accessories available (scope bases/stocks etc)
Retail around $600.

Feel free to ridicule me and tell me why I’m wrong. More suggestions would be nice. Thanks!
 

LongRange

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Read a bit of this thread, but not all. I really want to try this LR stuff out. I’ve been looking at a ton of reviews and I think I’ve settled on the Savage 110 Desert Tactical in 6.5 creedmoor. The price point, features and multiple positive reviews I’ve seen have led me to it.

I am not looking for a be-all, end-all rifle. I’m looking for a serviceable gun I can beat up and not feel bad about throwing around. Im hoping to stay anoint $1200ish give or take a few bucks for the gun and optics. Ultimate goal is 1k yards. Also, it’ll just be for fun. No competitive, SHTF or hunting use planned.

Price point is a factor. Kind of a huge one. But, I’ve felt enough Ruger American rifles to know I don’t trust them. Also, the Savage Axis like have never felt great to me. I want to pick up my gun and it feel like a gun. I’m not afraid of some weight. I won’t be dragging it through the mountains on my back for days on end.

I was kind of set on a 700 5R in 308, but, enough of my friends bought 6.5 to peer pressure me into it. Also, at $400ish more than the Savage, it’s just not something I’m super comfortable spending on something I will not take uber-seriously. The Bergara B14 HMR is pretty tempting, but it’s even more than the 700. Yes, the quality is far superior. But, I just can’t justify the cost to myself.

Can anyone tell me I’m wrong in leaning this way?

I want something with the following;
22”+ threaded barrel
6.5 creedmoor preferred, .308 is not ruled out.
Medium or heavy contour barrel
Aftermarket accessories available (scope bases/stocks etc)
Retail around $600.

Feel free to ridicule me and tell me why I’m wrong. More suggestions would be nice. Thanks!
do not let price be your deciding factor in this because youll most likely end up with something your not happy with...id be willing to bet that once you start this your going to be hook and if so your better off starting with a better base to build off of and theres no better base to start with than a 700 or 700 clone plus if you decide its not your thing then youll re-coop most of your money with a better base rifle.

id also suggest you skip the 308...it has its place and can get the job done but why buy a moped when you can get a harley for the same price.

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/rem...nthetic-stock-matte-blue/FC-047700842042.html

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/rem...agpul-hunter-stock-black/FC-047700842950.html

theres a couple for you to look at and im sure if you search around you can find one cheaper.
 

Facejackets

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Read a bit of this thread, but not all. I really want to try this LR stuff out. I’ve been looking at a ton of reviews and I think I’ve settled on the Savage 110 Desert Tactical in 6.5 creedmoor. The price point, features and multiple positive reviews I’ve seen have led me to it.

I am not looking for a be-all, end-all rifle. I’m looking for a serviceable gun I can beat up and not feel bad about throwing around. Im hoping to stay anoint $1200ish give or take a few bucks for the gun and optics. Ultimate goal is 1k yards. Also, it’ll just be for fun. No competitive, SHTF or hunting use planned.

Price point is a factor. Kind of a huge one. But, I’ve felt enough Ruger American rifles to know I don’t trust them. Also, the Savage Axis like have never felt great to me. I want to pick up my gun and it feel like a gun. I’m not afraid of some weight. I won’t be dragging it through the mountains on my back for days on end.

I was kind of set on a 700 5R in 308, but, enough of my friends bought 6.5 to peer pressure me into it. Also, at $400ish more than the Savage, it’s just not something I’m super comfortable spending on something I will not take uber-seriously. The Bergara B14 HMR is pretty tempting, but it’s even more than the 700. Yes, the quality is far superior. But, I just can’t justify the cost to myself.

Can anyone tell me I’m wrong in leaning this way?

I want something with the following;
22”+ threaded barrel
6.5 creedmoor preferred, .308 is not ruled out.
Medium or heavy contour barrel
Aftermarket accessories available (scope bases/stocks etc)
Retail around $600.

Feel free to ridicule me and tell me why I’m wrong. More suggestions would be nice. Thanks!
do not let price be your deciding factor in this because youll most likely end up with something your not happy with...id be willing to bet that once you start this your going to be hook and if so your better off starting with a better base to build off of and theres no better base to start with than a 700 or 700 clone plus if you decide its not your thing then youll re-coop most of your money with a better base rifle.

id also suggest you skip the 308...it has its place and can get the job done but why buy a moped when you can get a harley for the same price.

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/rem...nthetic-stock-matte-blue/FC-047700842042.html

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/rem...agpul-hunter-stock-black/FC-047700842950.html

theres a couple for you to look at and im sure if you search around you can find one cheaper.
Thanks for the link. I thought about the AAC-SD, but, I don’t like how flimsy the stock is, which brought me right back to the magpul version. But even at dealer cost, I’m looking at about $1k just between the gun and base. So I’d be adding $800+ between the optic and rings, almost doubling my ideal price range. I understand that the 700 might be better if I want to recoup money later, but, I don’t plan on selling a gun I don’t even have yet. I also don’t want to price myself out of the gun. And $2k is something I can’t justify to myself any time soon.

Is there a way to make the AAC-SD more rigid?
 

4x4Brit

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You could probably bed the stock in some way. If you like the 700 platform, I would save some extra cash and go with a Bergara. On a base model 700, you’ll end up threading the bolt handle and getting an oversize knob, switching their trigger and stock. All of that is almost $600 at best, more if you buy a better stock. A buy once cry once scenario. And I speak from experience!
 

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Can anyone tell me I’m wrong in leaning this way?

I want something with the following;
22”+ threaded barrel
6.5 creedmoor preferred, .308 is not ruled out.
Medium or heavy contour barrel
Aftermarket accessories available (scope bases/stocks etc)
Retail around $600.

Feel free to ridicule me and tell me why I’m wrong. More suggestions would be nice. Thanks![/QUOTE
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  • 24” barrel or up to 26”
  • 308? This isn’t 2009 anymore. 6.5 Creedmoor is still in the discussion of best cartridge 10 years after it took the sport by storm.
  • Heavy contour barrel. Between the contour, length and physical weight it will be a more consistent on longer strings of shots and be easier to follow through for the follow up shot.
  • Don’t cheap out too much here. If the scope isn’t rock solid you’ll only chase your but if something starts to go sideways. It doesn’t take long to burn up $100 of ammo while you are scratching your head.
  • Go back and read through the last 3 years of posts and there is a bunch of good current info here. I had owned several Savage rifles when I 1st started shooting LR. They both shot well and yet I sold them both when I moved from 308 to 6.5cm. I never went back and moved on to a custom and then Roger RPR. You want to get your toe wet 1st so I’d recommend the RPR IN 6.5cm.
  • Just be aware that after the government gets the opioid epidemic under control their next focus is long range shooters. We all looked to get in cheap and now we’re all a bunch of addicts
 

4x4Brit

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  • Go back and read through the last 3 years of posts and there is a bunch of good current info here. I had owned several Savage rifles when I 1st started shooting LR. They both shot well and yet I sold them both when I moved from 308 to 6.5cm. I never went back and moved on to a custom and then Roger RPR. You want to get your toe wet 1st so I’d recommend the RPR IN 6.5cm.
One thing I have seen consistently over the years is the ejectors crap out on the Savage bolts easily. They are however accurate enough rifles to start with. The RPR is good shout for a set up rifle out of the box.