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Front Sight is finished?
- Thread starter vw68j
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Here are a few of the highlights...
Starting JANUARY 1, 2022, in order to retain and maintain their membership and all assets in their membership, each member must pay a $50 per month Membership Maintenance Fee that can be charged monthly via a credit card or made with a single, annual payment of $500 to save to cost of two monthly payments. Payments must be made by cash, check or credit card. This fee is non-refundable. This fee cannot be paid from a member's F$ Bucks account. NOTE: If you respond immediately, meaning TODAY, and pay your Membership Maintenance Fee with a single payment, saving two months of payments, as an Exchange in Abundance for doing so, I will place 5 (five) Front Sight Coins in your Front Sight Account to make your first year's Membership Maintenance Fee essentially FREE.
Starting February 15, 2022, every student or member attending a course, prior to enrollment acceptance must either show proof of a minimum of $100,000 in personal liability insurance to cover them against damages they cause to other persons or property while engaged in the handling, carrying, and shooting of firearms, and training with firearms from the sling, holster and concealed holster while on Front Sight property, OR purchase said liability insurance covering Front Sight, and naming the student or member as an additional insured, from a vendor of Front Sight's choosing, at a cost of $25 per day. This fee is non-refundable. This cannot be paid from a member's F$ Bucks account.
Starting IMMEDIATELY, every student or member enrolling in a course, prior to enrollment acceptance must pay a $25 per day Facility Fee for the number of days of their course. This fee applies to every course at Front Sight including Private Training. This fee is non-refundable. If the member has funds in their F$ Bucks account, the fee can be paid from their F$ Bucks account. Students and members already enrolled and confirmed for a course in 2022 do not have to pay the $25 per day Facility Fee, but every student or member enrolling in a course from this date forward must pay the $25 per day daily Facility Fee. Please use the Exchange in Abundance that I have provided by refunding past purchases into your F$ Bucks account to pay for the Facility Fee.
Starting IMMEDIATELY, every student or member attending a course, prior to enrollment acceptance must pay a $25 per day Staff Support Fee for the number of days of their course. This fee is non-refundable. If the member has funds in their F$ Bucks account, the fee can be paid from their F$ Bucks account. Students and members already enrolled and confirmed for a course in 2022 do not have to pay the $25 per day Staff Support Fee, but every student or member enrolling in a course from this date forward must pay the $25 per day daily Staff Support Fee. Please use the Exchange in Abundance that I have provided by refunding past purchases into your F$ Bucks account to pay for the Staff Support Fee.
Starting JANUARY 1, 2022, in order to retain and maintain their membership and all assets in their membership, each member must pay a $50 per month Membership Maintenance Fee that can be charged monthly via a credit card or made with a single, annual payment of $500 to save to cost of two monthly payments. Payments must be made by cash, check or credit card. This fee is non-refundable. This fee cannot be paid from a member's F$ Bucks account. NOTE: If you respond immediately, meaning TODAY, and pay your Membership Maintenance Fee with a single payment, saving two months of payments, as an Exchange in Abundance for doing so, I will place 5 (five) Front Sight Coins in your Front Sight Account to make your first year's Membership Maintenance Fee essentially FREE.
Starting February 15, 2022, every student or member attending a course, prior to enrollment acceptance must either show proof of a minimum of $100,000 in personal liability insurance to cover them against damages they cause to other persons or property while engaged in the handling, carrying, and shooting of firearms, and training with firearms from the sling, holster and concealed holster while on Front Sight property, OR purchase said liability insurance covering Front Sight, and naming the student or member as an additional insured, from a vendor of Front Sight's choosing, at a cost of $25 per day. This fee is non-refundable. This cannot be paid from a member's F$ Bucks account.
Starting IMMEDIATELY, every student or member enrolling in a course, prior to enrollment acceptance must pay a $25 per day Facility Fee for the number of days of their course. This fee applies to every course at Front Sight including Private Training. This fee is non-refundable. If the member has funds in their F$ Bucks account, the fee can be paid from their F$ Bucks account. Students and members already enrolled and confirmed for a course in 2022 do not have to pay the $25 per day Facility Fee, but every student or member enrolling in a course from this date forward must pay the $25 per day daily Facility Fee. Please use the Exchange in Abundance that I have provided by refunding past purchases into your F$ Bucks account to pay for the Facility Fee.
Starting IMMEDIATELY, every student or member attending a course, prior to enrollment acceptance must pay a $25 per day Staff Support Fee for the number of days of their course. This fee is non-refundable. If the member has funds in their F$ Bucks account, the fee can be paid from their F$ Bucks account. Students and members already enrolled and confirmed for a course in 2022 do not have to pay the $25 per day Staff Support Fee, but every student or member enrolling in a course from this date forward must pay the $25 per day daily Staff Support Fee. Please use the Exchange in Abundance that I have provided by refunding past purchases into your F$ Bucks account to pay for the Staff Support Fee.
That place needs to die, sadly. It’s been half scam half failed business half constant lawsuits for 25 years.
I’ll admit that the new pricing when you break it down is still a good deal. $300 for 4 days of training, plus a membership fee. So do 3 classes a year and it’s like $450 a class which is nothing.
But their curriculum is so outdated.
Either way Piazza is a scummy salesman. The condescending tone in that email was really bad. MY (poop)TY BUSINESS MODEL FAILED AND YOU NEEDED TO GIVE ME MONEY TO FIX IT! YIU DIDNT HELP! YOU BROUGHT THIS UPON YOURSELVES!
Whatever. Next. Onward and upward. I got my $250 worth over the past 10 years.
I’ll admit that the new pricing when you break it down is still a good deal. $300 for 4 days of training, plus a membership fee. So do 3 classes a year and it’s like $450 a class which is nothing.
But their curriculum is so outdated.
Either way Piazza is a scummy salesman. The condescending tone in that email was really bad. MY (poop)TY BUSINESS MODEL FAILED AND YOU NEEDED TO GIVE ME MONEY TO FIX IT! YIU DIDNT HELP! YOU BROUGHT THIS UPON YOURSELVES!
Whatever. Next. Onward and upward. I got my $250 worth over the past 10 years.
With the most toxic marketing skills ever.
I paid $250, took a lot of classes, learned some stuff to do, learned some stuff NOT to do. Well worth it even at the low level of training offered.
That being said, I won’t be held hostage or forced to comply to terms different than I originally agreed to. He can suck it.
I paid $250, took a lot of classes, learned some stuff to do, learned some stuff NOT to do. Well worth it even at the low level of training offered.
That being said, I won’t be held hostage or forced to comply to terms different than I originally agreed to. He can suck it.
I can see a class action suit coming down the pike. Of course by then I am sure all of his records will be corrupted and he won't be able to tell anyone what they had in the bank there. I always compared his marketing schemes to a Ponzi scheme anyhow. While it may not have been it sure did seem like it.
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Honestly, the training was great for me 12 years ago when I first went there. They took me from a sloppy desert can plinker to a much more proficient, safe, disciplined shooter. The problem is as noted, their training hasn't changed since the dark ages and I'm finding myself trying to undo more bad habits than rely on the helpful ones they taught me (e.g. silly modified weaver stance!).
If the tone of posts on Facebook is any indication the place should be closed within the year. I would not be surprised if he wasn't already in talks to sell or lease the land to some energy company for a solar array. There are about 6 of them planned for southern Nye County but there is a lot of push back from the citizens about placing them on BLM land. They will need somewhere to plant the panels.
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I'm not ripping on you man if you prefer that stance, but most of the industry has moved on from the static 'stand your ground' weaver stance to more dynamic, movement conducive stances like isosceles. I know it's a deep rabbit hole everyone could go down, and to each their own, but they are one of the last hold outs training that particular stance.
I'm sure someone will post a link proving me wrong, it's just my observation.
I'm sure someone will post a link proving me wrong, it's just my observation.
We had a bunch of their folks come out to a few subgun matches, with their dramatic forward lean, all their weight on their toes, asses pushed way out, in some shooting tiger secret squirrel stance. None of them ever finished in the top 10. It was actually hilarious to watch them attempt to move from shooting box to shooting box.
Their best class was the free uzi day class years back, although you had to stay for the ‘obnoxious pizza’ lunch.
Their training is definitely stuck in the past. Took an uzi class and a 2 day pistol class there. Never had any desire to go back.
Their best class was the free uzi day class years back, although you had to stay for the ‘obnoxious pizza’ lunch.
Their training is definitely stuck in the past. Took an uzi class and a 2 day pistol class there. Never had any desire to go back.
There's been a lot written about this topic, if there was only a convenient way to search the internet for topics you're interested in reading.
https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2017/9/pistol-shooting-positions-weaver-vs-isosceles/
https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2017/9/pistol-shooting-positions-weaver-vs-isosceles/
